Thursday, April 9, 2009

Spirituality EXACTLY = Mumbo Jumbo

I commented this piece to a Creationist who felt the need to call all 'seculars' hypocrites for not being religious yet being happy to take the day off, 'their' day off, to celebrate the birth of their Savior.

"You gripe about non-Christians commandeering your holiday for Jesus while denying that Jesus represents an abiding faith in God.

Hey, Jim, the Winter Solstice was celebrated since humans looked up at the sky and noticed that the Sun rises in a cyclical pattern ending/starting(or dying and being reborn), a natural end to the natural year followed by a natural beginning to a new year.
If people attributed this to an otherworldly consciousness and gave it spiritual meaning, Sun-worshippers(and I don't mean beach-goers) marked the occasion by feasting, celebrating the end of the natural new year(Solstice) and perhaps praying that the Sun would climb back from it's low points on the horizon, beginning a new year.

The Sun ALWAYS started it's climb back towards summertime BUT the Sun-worshippers didn't know that, they felt that if the Sun kept getting lower down, it would eventually disappear and the world would come to an icy end.
Every year, the Sun-worshippers' prayers were answered and the Sun climbed higher in the sky, starting it's 'journey' from farther north on the horizon.

This, after three days of no apparent 'movement'.

And you think that just because early Christians hi-jacked the Winter Solstice, the natural New Year, to celebrate, not the Sun's rebirth, but your Messiah's birth instead, that we ought to just take your word that Christmas ought to be celebrated by everyone who ought to acknowledge your Messiah?

Then you, being totally ignorant of the Sun's apparent movement at the horizon, dawning at a different location, in a cycle, EVERY MORNING, you feel you have a right to call us hypocrites?

Well, I guess your religious brain-washing is complete if you have no idea of the importance of the Solstice to 'early man' as an unexplained natural phenomenon promising another growing season.
So, you see, it's not so much that people are 'hypocrites' as much as you are ignorant.

But, since you read this, you're no longer ignorant, are you? You can put it down to 'you learn something new every day' and throw the 'Christmas hypocrites' argument in the toilet. "

Anyway it got me to thinking that there were likely people celebrating the Winter Solstice putting perhaps a much MORE religious spin on it than others and some who were actually just in awe of nature and the inexplicable Sun cycles of the World (the cycles are created by the motion of the planet).

For some it would be a grand feast with a primitive lesson in astronomy for the children to pass on generation after generation but for others it would be thought of as communication with the gods, pleading for the Sun to bring the World back to life, a very spiritual thing.

Using the spiritual idea to their advantage, shamans, priests, religious leaders would tend to control their flocks by persuading them that they were in communication with the spirit that controlled the apparent movement of the Sun through the year.

They would ritualize the Winter Solstice celebration pretending (confusing themselves?) that THEY, the priests, were in communication with, controlling the gods/spirits/God, or at least attempting such control, when IN FACT they were actually controlling their population, convincing their followers that THEY(the priests) had occult knowledge/spirituality.

Christians were well aware of the power of spirituality to control the population/pray to God.

Priests were the keepers of knowledge and the arbiters of goodness in a largely ignorant World and they could hi-jack natural phenomena to their advantage disguised as spirituality.

(Say, "Hi!", to God for me oneblood, wherever you are.)


Pliny-the-in-Between said...

Hey I like to get President's day off too but I don't think Lincoln was a god...

Asylum Seeker said...

You could also easily point out that most Christians were originally opposed to Christmas due to the pagan origins of it. And that the way that we celebrate the holiday has so little identifiable root in Christianity that it is laughable. Stockings, Christmas trees, mistletoe, and gift giving are the core of the tradition, with gift giving the only possible connection to Christianity, due to the "Three Wise Men" story. Oh, and its also a national holiday. Even if I didn't agree with a basically secular holiday, that Christians tagged their name onto and made a few songs to go along with the annexation, being a national holiday it still doesn't change the fact that it is. If it makes me hypocritical to go along with state-sanctioned religious sentiment that I disapprove of but still can do little to fight, then I am also hypocritical for using U.S. currency. In such a scenario, we atheists are a bit fucked, aren't we?

pboyfloyd said...

Not in the least Seeker.

Magic marker!

Anonymous said...

Hoppy Ishtar pboy!

'I' did say "hi" to 'God' for you (whatever that means).

Hume's point on the 'self' and 'God' has some validity.

Anyway, I declare December 25th to be Hug an Atheist Day! Why? Well my tartan wearing cyberamigo, I have just as much authority to make December 25th Hug an Atheist Day as The U.S. Government has to make it Christmas!

At least Hug an Atheist Day will be about Love and Compassion. Take that Christmas! You foul commercialized solstice!

Asylum Seeker said...

"Hug an atheist day"? It's a nice sentiment, but I personally find it rather creepy. I mean, creepy for other people. Getting to declare myself as effectively under mistletoe for an entire day is something that people would come to fear, I am sure.

Stacy said...

Sun? Son - Sun? Son - Sun? Son - etc...

Maybe there was a misspelling that confused everyone?? ;-)

Anonymous said...

Good point Asylum. I could see atheists being creeped out. "Ewwww, stinky theist get lost!"

"But today's about love."

"Stop pushing your religion!"

"But, but (door slams, oneblood hangs head and whimpers)."

Anonymous said...

If I'm a hypocrite for taking today off, that's hilarious, because I almost never work on the weekend now.

Previous to getting this position, I had been just a regular old worker, and when you work in a 24 SLS home for adults with disabilities, there are no holidays or weekends 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. People are there every day, so you need to be as well.

mac said...

Don't ask me, I worked today( Easter).

I didn't feel at all bad as I work 3 sundays a month anyway. I was no biggie for me.

I was just a little upset that the kids wouldn't share the Reese's candy from the Easter Baskets with me when I got home....those ungrateful little boogers !

pboyfloyd said...

I think the 'no day off
' for unbelievers is equivalent to no prezzies for you!

Betcha Drill Sergeant Jim punished atheists with K.P. on Christmas Day, the fuck.

Anonymous said...

This is way off topic. But does it seem a little bit surreal to anybody that Sean Hannity is talking about a "War On Piracy?"

Do these guys have a script?

When I listen to NPR I groan for the bias and worldview, when I see Fox "News" I grunt and fall over for the worldview. I can't say bias because doesn't that presuppose awareness?! Oy vey with the hawkishness!

pboyfloyd said...


Them hawks worship the country and the flag. The tribal wargod is a front for that.